Persona 5 Gender Options

[Latorn]

So a few (ok, perhaps more than a few) individuals are upset that P4: The Golden will not have the female gender option that P3P had. Well, there's always Persona 5 to look forward to and here's your chance to voice your opinion.

Pretty straightforward: Which gender options would you like to see for the protagonist in Persona 5? Male only? Female only? Or both male and female like P3P?

[John Cavil]

You're doing it all wrong.

[Latorn]

Originally Posted by John Cavil

You're doing it all wrong.

I don't see how a poll gauging popular opinion of gender options for Persona 5 has anything to do with a recommendations/suggestion thread for Persona 5.

Anyways I won't be responding to anymore posts in this thread in order to restrain myself from influencing anyone's decision with my bias.

For science, you monsters.

[Temuthril]

The story written from a female point of view mainly would be cool, or at least different.

[John Cavil]

Originally Posted by Latorn

I don't see how a poll gauging popular opinion of gender options for Persona 5 has anything to do with a recommendations/suggestion thread for Persona 5.

Anyways I won't be responding to anymore posts in this thread in order to restrain myself from influencing anyone's decision with my bias.

For science, you monsters.

Firstly, you do realize that the general point of a poll is to gauge individual suggestions, perspectives, and preferences, right?

Secondly, that's not a suggestion topic. Those go in the suggestion forums.

Thirdly, your thread is in the wrong place. A-I was pointing out that there was already a perfect venue for your survey in that thread. B-If you HAD to have your own thread, you post it in the Persona forums.

Simple?

[Latorn]

I don't like fighting over the internet, thus this will be my last reply (fo' realz).

Originally Posted by John Cavil

Firstly, you do realize that the general point of a poll is to gauge individual suggestions, perspectives, and preferences, right?

Originally Posted by Latorn

I don't see how a poll gauging popular opinion of gender options for Persona 5...

Did I not say the same thing? Was it necessary for me to state the "popular opinion of the public?" I've no idea how I've confused you into believing that I don't know what the purpose of a poll is after I've stated its purpose.

Originally Posted by John Cavil

Secondly, that's not a suggestion topic. Those go in the suggestion forums.

We can sit here and define what a "suggestion topic" details, but I believe a thread titled "What do you want in Persona 5?" screams "HAY GUYZ, LETS GIVE ATLUS SUGGESTTIONZ FOR PERSONA 5". Especially when the original post contains suggestions for persona 5 such as having birthday parties, increasing social link lengths, etc. The OP even states "Lets start giving Atlus ideas for Persona 5 !"... what about this isn't a suggestion thread again?

Oh and perhaps the admin stating that the tech support email is not supposed to be used for sending ideas, and the same admin later explaining that Atlus U.S.A. does not make the games it publishes (and thus sending suggestions to them is near-pointless) would help tip of that it is in fact a suggestion thread?

Originally Posted by John Cavil

A-I was pointing out that there was already a perfect venue for your survey in that thread.

So you want me to hijack that thread (started in 2009) and tally each individual post instead of using a system that's already in place to tally results? Unless there's a way of starting a poll in another persons thread that I'm unaware of; even still the idea of using that thread is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by John Cavil

B-If you HAD to have your own thread, you post it in the Persona forums.

Which forum would you prefer I place this in? Under the Persona heading I see no sub-forum for "Persona 5" or "Future Games". There are 3 options: Talk about Persona 1 for PSP, talk about Persona 3/FES, and talk about Persona 4. Because of this I decided to post in the General forum described as "Discussion about Atlus and its library of games".



Well, if you were just trolling I hope you have a thoroughly full belly now.

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Guys you are both right (Grabs popcorn)

[LadyZelgadis]

Originally Posted by Latorn

So a few (ok, perhaps more than a few) individuals are upset that P4: The Golden will not have the female gender option that P3P had. Well, there's always Persona 5 to look forward to and here's your chance to voice your opinion.

Pretty straightforward: Which gender options would you like to see for the protagonist in Persona 5? Male only? Female only? Or both male and female like P3P?

It coould be great to have both male and female, along with possibility of yuri relationships If you choose female character

[kratoscar2008]

Originally Posted by LadyZelgadis

It coould be great to have both male and female, along with possibility of yuri relationships If you choose female character

Just dont put yaoi. as Yuri can be enjoyed by both sexes.

[marlboro]

I'd like to see a both option. And also various dating routes that can be romanced or not. I wouldn't mind having a bisexual main character, in fact I think it'd be very enlightening for either side. Video games have different demographics, what makes games fun is the ability to put yourself in as the character. That's why many protagonists are mutes, because that's the intended feeling. Not everyone is a male and straight, so why not open up the option. Make it an optional route obviously with a character outside the team. I think Atlus, a company who does it's best in making games that have slight controversial issues should take up the step and actually apply these to their games. Instead of batting it off as a joke or humor. It's slightly offensive and not humorous to many.

I remember someone throwing around the idea for a transgender character as a main, which would be very interesting as an idea. But I think that should happen first with one of the main supporting characters, and also be held up with some open-minds and other close minds to keep a balance of realism.

I'm not sure if there is another discussion for themes and issues that fans are speculating, but as far as the protagonists go. I think they should be open ended, but keeping it realistic and not have all the supporting cast be open-minded to the idea. I think that would make for a interesting C plot within the story-line overall. But regardless, having an option for both female and male seems like the step that Persona 5 should take in the long run.

[Iris]

Originally Posted by kratoscar2008

Just dont put yaoi. as Yuri can be enjoyed by both sexes.

Or people could just...be open-minded and not pick the yaoi option if they don't want it.

[Olethros]

Originally Posted by Iris

Or people could just...be open-minded and not pick the yaoi option if they don't want it.

No, unfortunately people cannot. At least, in my experience, most people are almost entirely incapable of true open-mindedness. It's been a part of humanity for as long as humanity has been around. Don't take this as me condoning it, though. I'm just being a realist here.

[kratoscar2008]

Originally Posted by Iris

Or people could just...be open-minded and not pick the yaoi option if they don't want it.

After the Naoto thong fiasco, i dont think that it will be posible.

The costumes things are optional and non-canonical and still stir quite passionable emotions in people (Namely NonCon).

Is like with women things are different than men, two girls can kiss each other or walk holding her hands and its no problem, aply that with two guys and you are called a Fag (I dont do it but here in Honduras people are tighly closed minded)

[Yukichin]

Originally Posted by kratoscar2008

After the Naoto thong fiasco, i dont think that it will be posible.

The costumes things are optional and non-canonical and still stir quite passionable emotions in people (Namely NonCon).

Is like with women things are different than men, two girls can kiss each other or walk holding her hands and its no problem, aply that with two guys and you are called a Fag (I dont do it but here in Honduras people are tighly closed minded)

That's because society has a double-standard and tends to favour lesbians because "holy crap two women that's hot".

But there ARE men who can enjoy yaoi just as there are women that can enjoy yuri; hell, it's not just gay men.

[Arisato]

Both

[supervamp78]

I'd like to see a sort of hexyz force sort of thing where the two genders are two sides of one story each playing out differently and having one goal but after completely both youll unlock the true story and both stories will collide.

Thats probably a bit much but its nice to dream i think.

[namelessregret]

I want both male & female to be available.
Boys (or girls who likes to play as one), would take the male MC and vice-versa.

I don't get why people voted on male or female only...

About the Social Link stuff... I doubt they will take it away in Persona 5, mainly because I have a feeling they will stick with the same engine they used in both Persona 3 and 4. Personally, I don't care if they decide to take it away, to me the most important aspects of Persona were already present in the Persona duo (good characters, plot, themes, visuals, musics, etc).

[Crok425]

Originally Posted by namelessregret

I want both male & female to be available.
Boys (or girls who likes to play as one), would take the male MC and vice-versa.

I don't get why people voted on male or female only...

About the Social Link stuff... I doubt they will take it away in Persona 5, mainly because I have a feeling they will stick with the same engine they used in both Persona 3 and 4. Personally, I don't care if they decide to take it away, to me the most important aspects of Persona were already present in the Persona duo (good characters, plot, themes, visuals, musics, etc).

Atlus said that P5 will be like P3 was with P1 and P2... I'm sure that you didn't play them (probably) so I'll make it quick.

P1/P2: Enemies were demons, no S. Links, characters designed by Kazuma Kaneko (although Soejima will still do the art work ), constant dungeon investigation with no breaks in school or spending time quality with your friends, and being on the constant side of psychological stuff with Philemon and Nyarlathotep.

P3/P4: No demons, just shadows as enemies, S. Links, taking breaks from the dungeons with school and spending quality time with your friends, and the psychological stuff was still there but it wasn't constant since Philemon and Nyarlathotep weren't there... except Philemon as the blue butterfly, but Nyarlathotep wasn't there because of what happened in P2.

And that's about it... I'm intrigued of what P5 will be like.

[namelessregret]

Originally Posted by Crok425

Atlus said that P5 will be like P3 was with P1 and P2... I'm sure that you didn't play them (probably) so I'll make it quick.

P1/P2: Enemies were demons, no S. Links, characters designed by Kazuma Kaneko (although Soejima will still do the art work ), constant dungeon investigation with no breaks in school or spending time quality with your friends, and being on the constant side of psychological stuff with Philemon and Nyarlathotep.

P3/P4: No demons, just shadows as enemies, S. Links, taking breaks from the dungeons with school and spending quality time with your friends, and the psychological stuff was still there but it wasn't constant since Philemon and Nyarlathotep weren't there... except Philemon as the blue butterfly, but Nyarlathotep wasn't there because of what happened in P2.

And that's about it... I'm intrigued of what P5 will be like.

I am aware of some of the differences between P1/P2 and P3/P4, but thanks for elaborating it better for me.

By "Atlus said" you mean Inzaghi's post above, right? I just read it. I haven't noticed this pattern of "do something new, do a refined version of that, then move on" before. That means that besides Persona 5, if they ever make a new Devil Survivor, it will probably be very different from the first two installments. Now I am intrigued of what P5 will be like to.

Also, half of my "theory" about Persona 5 being released for the 3DS may be gone.

[Seieko Pherdo]

Well since this is the next era of platforms should have more space in them so they is seemingly no reason why there can't be both a male/female player. In Atlas games I'm not sure how I would approach the 'create from scratch idea" or if I would want it at all. In a game like Fable, Fallout, Marrowind, Soul Caliber it would make more sense. But that aside I why I wouldn't mind choosing what sexual preferences the MC had but at the same time how does that fact it for the other cast members. I'm thinking the reason why the MC is straight only is so they can chose who to be in a relationship with over being in a relationship only with the one person in the entire game who happened to fit that preference. Not to mention the silent MC's tend to become reflections of the person playing it and thus as the male MC or female MC each player would likely choose to go out with different people for different reasons.

That aside the biggest issue to me with the whole choice between a male and female MC is how much space there is one the disk. Now in P4G there is no female version but because of that a lot of other stuff was added it. And within the next Persona game I would rather have as much in the main story as possible instead of two shorter ones. (The cut scenes were removed from P3P because of space restrains, while that isn't a big deal it summarizes what I'm getting at.) Also I'm male so it may not be as big as a deal as it would be for female players who had to play a male person every time, and while I enjoyed playing as the female in Persona 3 I also felt somewhat disconnected because I myself am not female. While it sounds good in theory to have a both a male and female MC where you can change the looks and sexual preferences there are design points to consider which can affect these kinds of things more than people may realize

[Foobar]

More storage doesn't exactly mean more content. We've had tons of storage this gen on discs and HDDs and the largest games I've experienced are Skyrim, Oblivion, the Fallout games, Xenobladd and Metroid Prime 3. Most of them fit on one DVD per game.

I've already touched on how choice of sexuality is a touch complicated for the Social Link kinds of Persona games and why it does work for Skyrim. In Mass Effect and Skyrim, matters of a sexual nature feel more like a checkbox than while fleshed out characters like Kanji and Naoto can be bring more to the table than just a flighty romance.

I'd rather Persona maintain its strong focus on character than have every character weirdly open to everything. People just aren't built to be that wide open and while it works for Skyrim, it's because it's one, small thing in huge world of little milestones. I have places to go, people to see/murder, tombs to loot, dragons to slay, gold to amass items to create and arrows to place in knees. I might see Ysolda once a week in our happy home in Solitude. She's probably wondering why she said "yes."