Catherine or Persona 5?

[aperson]

Originally Posted by Hamel

They should learn that you guys can't decide which game is being made
besides, the next SMT game is not Persona related (Devil Survivor 2) so it's not like they will make P5 soon

Atlus isn't comprised of one development team. The people in the Persona team, probably have nothing to do with DS2. Also....

Originally Posted by SykoFunc Wyzbi

in order to know if Persona 5 is even being planned for development,

I'm pretty sure the existence of a Persona 5 has been confirmed, like, at least a year ago. Meguro has also very unsubtly hinted that they will be talking about it this year.

http://www.1up.com/news/atlus-confir...-5-development

You can keep your kidneys, Sykofunc

[DamageCity]

Sometimes threads just make me want to bang my head against a wall.

[kunino-sagiri]

Originally Posted by aperson

Atlus isn't comprised of one development team. The people in the Persona team, probably have nothing to do with DS2. Also....

I'm pretty sure the existence of a Persona 5 has been confirmed, like, at least a year ago. Meguro has also very unsubtly hinted that they will be talking about it this year.

http://www.1up.com/news/atlus-confir...-5-development

Precisely.
And in fact it was the Persona team who were the ones developing Catherine, so now that they've finished with that, it'll give them a clear run to work on Persona 5, whilst a different dev team works on Devil Survivor 2.

[Demi_Fiend]

both!

[Enoch]

Catherine. First HD Persona spinoff game for Atlus. Plus its kinda new whereas I would suspect at the very least the new Persona would keep many elements of the prequels.

[Olethros]

Originally Posted by DamageCity

Sometimes threads just make me want to bang my head against a wall.

You too? Thank you DC 'cause I was staring to think there was something wrong with me!

[Evil Monkey]

Depends what they do for 5, because I am sick of high school. Let's upgrade to frat boys person, where you need to get drunk at midnight and watch comedy central.

[lHyDrAl]

Persona 5 if it comes out on ps2 OR on ps3 with dual audio. Catherine... man I hope someone releases an English patch.

[Onion of Mystery]

Originally Posted by lHyDrAl

Persona 5 if it comes out on ps2 OR on ps3 with dual audio. Catherine... man I hope someone releases an English patch.

An English patch? You mean... the localized release of the game that we're doing?

[Olethros]

No, he's one of those Japanese-voices-or-nothing people.

[Synthetix]

Persona 5, hands down. In fact, I only joined the forums because I was recently playing through persona 4 (doing a one-calander day at a time, which also gives me plenty of time to level on dungeon days.) I was hoping for some hard concrete evidence that this was confirmed and already under development. It's been over 3 years since the last persona game, and next to Nocturne they are easily my favorite games produced by Atlus, and pretty much one of my favorite RPGs of all time (Well, actually most of the Shin Megami Tensei games, except devil survivor, just because they did the old SMT2 SNES type graphics for it.) So...I'll be lurking till I hear news...I really hope there is some by E3 this year.

[DamageCity]

I really don't want to make this post so I'm gonna try and summarize my feelings.

To those who think there will be any new personas anytime soon. Don't hold your breath.

What is Persona really about other than teenagers summoning demons? It 's about major destruction and catastrophy befalling... Japan.

Japan is still reeling, as much as ever, from destruction and catastrophy. For example, this morning as I was getting ready for work I was treated to video of an animal rescue group in Miyagi pref. They saved around 8 animals while sifting through towns and parts of cities reduced to rubble. The footage ending with the group just crying over a dead cats body.

Now maybe some of you are saying well Inocent Sin still came out and what about Yakuza: The End. Well development was pretty much in the can with both of those game and I doubt Atlus or Sega could afford to shelve them.

I know what's happening in Japan may hit the news there but from the side here where we are still getiing aftershocks from an Earthquake that happened over a month ago. Sensitivity about destruction in Japan is pretty ####ing high.

Also another thing I would like to bring up is the conceptual phase of making a game doesn't equal development. For example the last 30 seconds I've been brainstorming ideas for the next Persona game. What will be new to the series. How can we get more people interested in the series. Does that equal development? No. I have no doubt that Persona 5 will eventually happen, but just because they had a meeting about it doesn't mean it's in development.

In the end I, just like everyone, can only speculate but I think with everything happening in Japan right now I wouldn't expect an anouncement this year.

[aperson]

Originally Posted by DamageCity

What is Persona really about other than teenagers summoning demons? It 's about major destruction and catastrophy befalling... Japan.

You know, I was going to write out a big response as a poor attempt at refuting this, but I don't want to come across as insensitive, so let me just say I respectfully disagree. And I feel your definition of "catastrophe befalling Japan" is ridiculously broad if you consider the Persona games as such.(now mainline SMT, I could understand)

Also another thing I would like to bring up is the conceptual phase of making a game doesn't equal development. For example the last 30 seconds I've been brainstorming ideas for the next Persona game. What will be new to the series. How can we get more people interested in the series. Does that equal development? No. I have no doubt that Persona 5 will eventually happen, but just because they had a meeting about it doesn't mean it's in development.

Well, sure, difference is you aren't a key-figure in the staff flat-out saying "we have entered development of the next Persona game" Like Katsura Hashino did over a year ago. Followed by Meguro unsubtly hinting at an announcement this year, half a year later. They didn't say they were discussing or considering a new Persona game, they said they were making one.

Persona is their cashcow. At best(and only IF the game shows something along the lines of a city being ravaged, which neither P3 or 4 did) the game will be edited.

[Olethros]

Wow. Going up against DC? You are indeed a brave soul.

[aperson]

Originally Posted by Olethros

Wow. Going up against DC? You are indeed a brave soul.

Balls of steel, m'boy.

[Evilkinggumby]

Originally Posted by aperson

Persona is their cashcow. At best(and only IF the game shows something along the lines of a city being ravaged, which neither P3 or 4 did) the game will be edited.

For once I kind of agree with aperson, but I can see both sides of your arguments.

If they have already been developing and working on a persona game for the past year or more there is a good chance it will not be nixed due to the earthquake in Japan, in part because of time already invested, but also because (most likely) there is still another good year or more of development time before the game would hit stores, which would give a likely nice ol hiatus for folks there and overseas to recover and relax from the tragedy.

As well, I don't think the game is just about what Damagecity said it was about. The early games (p1-p2IS/EP) did step into that territory of cataclysmic world ending destruction. Even late into P3 you get a sense of that to some degree. The murder mystery vibe of p4 kind of helped break the mold of the series a bit and show that it could be more story/character driven and NOT have to be as dark and cynical as the previous games. Now assuming they want to create something that will garner additional fan, quench the old fans, and possibly build on the directions the series is going... I think it very possible to kick around ideas and a central story focus that is not rooted in earth shattering destruction.

Considering the Jungian roots the Persona subset has grasped onto more then SMT games in general, there's a ton of themes and questions that could be asked and (hopefully) answered by a new game with a new theme or genre.

I'd say there is a good chance development may steer away from plot points and story beats that were tied to earthquakes, major metropolitan explosions, or high destruction. Or if they still kept them in, it was for very strong significance so the moment would resonate in a particular way with the player. It wouldn't be a "oo we should have an earthquake so we can freak out the gamer!!". Least.. I would hope not.

on the other side.. being their cash cow, I could see how Atlus has enough other projects they could slow or defer development of the games for a while to MAKE SURE it did not get hated on by their fans if it had events in it similar to the earthquake. I mean it'd be nuts to try and ruin a good thing, especially as it hits the current gen of consoles and has a huge tsunami of expectation behind it.

As well they may forego development if any number of staff working on it are just too closely effected by the real world events and can't focus on the game objectively. I know if I lost loved ones or watched relatives lose everything they had in a major disaster, I wouldn't be keen on working on a game where a fissure cracks open on the side of a mountain and wipes out half a town with ash, fumes and lava...

[APPLE 01 DOJ]

Catherine.

I like the Persona series a lot. I don't mind waiting a while for a next installment.

[leonemesis]

Well I'd buy them both at once, fortunately money is not the issue. But if I HAD to choose one to get first, well, I won't lie, I love Persona and would like to get that first. But well, that does not seem to be the case, so I'll buy Catherine and enjoy it a whole lot while I wait for the next Persona installment.

[DamageCity]

Originally Posted by aperson

Well, sure, difference is you aren't a key-figure in the staff flat-out saying "we have entered development of the next Persona game" Like Katsura Hashino did over a year ago. Followed by Meguro unsubtly hinting at an announcement this year, half a year later. They didn't say they were discussing or considering a new Persona game, they said they were making one.

That was a long time ago, in the last month the playing field has changed greatly. Not just for games but for all media in Japan.

Originally Posted by aperson

Balls of steel, m'boy.

More like blind fandom.

[aperson]

Originally Posted by DamageCity

That was a long time ago, in the last month the playing field has changed greatly. Not just for games but for all media in Japan.

Cool. But that still doesn't change that Persona games barely show any destruction and that they have been probably working on it for two years now. Which means not releasing Persona 5 at this point would be the same thing as not releasing Yakuza of the End(a game which actually DOES show a real life location(okay not real-life, but you don't get any closer than that) getting ravaged in Japan, by death and destruction......unlike any of the Persona games). Good job on not addressing that.

Remember how MGS2 was edited to remove Manhattan being plowed by a giant armadillo tank because of 9/11? at best, something along those lines will occur with a possible P5.

More like blind fandom.

I guess passive-aggressive low content posts is what I should have been fearing. How terrifying

As for your claim....

Originally Posted by me

Yeah, this place can feel like such an echo chamber sometimes.

Not EVERY negative comment against Atlus needs to be addressed by 20+ neckbeards acting all smarmy, guys.

lol

[DamageCity]

Originally Posted by aperson

Cool. But that still doesn't change that Persona games barely show any destruction and that they have been probably working on it for two years now. Which means not releasing Persona 5 at this point would be the same thing as not releasing Yakuza of the End(a game which actually DOES show a real life location(okay not real-life, but you don't get any closer than that) getting ravaged in Japan, by death and destruction......unlike any of the Persona games). Good job on not addressing that.

You're comparing the development of a game that was metioned in passing to a game that was 99% complete at the time of the Earthquake? Nice try. As far as death and destruction in Japan for the Persona series maybe you should try a playthrough one more time kiddo.

and here is something from　my original post you failed to read in your nerdrage aperson.

Originally Posted by DamageCity

In the end I, just like everyone, can only speculate but I think with everything happening in Japan right now I wouldn't expect an anouncement this year.

[aperson]

Edit: this conversation is going nowhere.

Whatever.

[quicksaund]

It's tough, but i said Catherine. I've still got Persona 4 to buy and play, after all. It's cool to see original IPs, and Catherine certainly looks original. I can wait for Persona 5.

[DemonicPersona]

ive played the entire persona series from when i was younger so ill have to go with persona 5. i cant wait for it to be released.

[elf_boobs]

I'm more excited about Catherine at the moment, as it's only a short time until it's in my hands. Persona 5 is inevitable, but even if some new info were to be released in Japan, it would still be a long time before it hit the US. Thinking about it only brings pain, so I choose to not dwell on it.

[quicksaund]

Haha^ True.

It'll be cool to play something more adult.

[Salbert]

lol of course atlus is going to be releasing persona 5 next/soon. this is a no-brainer. it is their most popular franchise. and what's with this nonsense about just because the games are about bad things happening to Japanese towns, they're gonna hold it back because of the earthquake? Did people stop making movies about bad things happening to american towns after 9/11? Are you seriously suggesting that production of all movies/shows/books/games/etc about bad things happening to Japanese places have come to a halt because of the earthquake/tsunami? get real man.

like really, do you think the people at atlus japan are thinking "WELP CAN'T RELEASE PERSONA 5 NOW BECAUSE IT FEATURES A TOWN BEING POSSESSED BY DEMONS OR WHATEVER. IT MIGHT REMIND PEOPLE OF THE EARTHQUAKE/TSUNAMI" no normal person is going to make that kind of connection. unless persona 5 SPECIFICALLY FEATURES AN EARTHQUAKE OR TSUNAMI IN ITS PLOT, i'd say they're good.

also, i don't understand this attitude of concern about persona becoming the "madden of rpgs" as if there is absolutely any sign of that happening at all. Persona(with the possible exception of p3) has done nothing but get better with each iteration and the time between release has actually widened from p3-p4 to p4-p5 (which is probably completely due to Catherine but still)

a lot of people on this forum think they're a lot smarter and more "tuned in" then they actually are.

[quicksaund]

LOL^ Carm down, man.

At least with Persona 5 i know there will be a european release.

I doubt it will be on PS2 btw. I assume they will be using the same engine as Catherine, which should be cool.

[Olethros]

Originally Posted by Salbert

a lot of people on this forum think they're a lot smarter and more "tuned in" then they actually are.

The frog has a point here. He took the long, loopy, 'round-a-bout way of getting there, and I would have chosen far more pertinent examples along the way were it me, but the destination point he arrived at is still quite valid.

[aperson]

So, uh, yeah. Remember the silly conversation going on in this thread?

http://ds2.atlusnet.jp/

a lot of people on this forum think they're a lot smarter and more "tuned in" then they actually are

One does not need to look farther than this thread.